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They’ve been away preparing their next assault, but as 2018 comes into view, Marmozets are back.
Words: Ali Shutler. Photos: Sarah Louise Bennett.
[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]”We can do whatever we want ‘cos we’re free,” sings Becca Macintyre with a knowing grin as she leans back into the sofa at the HQ of the band’s record label, Roadrunner. Jack Bottomley smiles next to her. “Quote of the day!” But it goes beyond that.
It’s an attitude that Marmozets have had right from the start. Early EPs captured a band on fire, still finding the beauty in the ashes while belief and command came to a head for their debut album. The band took that control and wrote their own story with ‘The Weird And Wonderful Marmozets’. Capturing something electric, the gang had waited years for their moment and swiftly made sure that each and every one mattered.
From ‘Born Young & Free’, hammering dynamite meets twisted anthem of rebellion, to the moment they pass it ‘Back To You’ carrying hope despite the scratches, the album is a fierce, furious and relentless blitz of statements and intent. Scrawled messages that mean the world. Its title, a little bit flamboyant, a little bit tongue in cheek, a little bit confident, explained everything you needed to know about the band and what they’d achieve. No bullshit, no messing around, they got right to the point because who’s got time for anything else? It might have taken them two years, but it’s the same for album two, ‘Knowing What You Know Now’.
“It’s one of those phrases that came up in conversation and just seemed to fit everything,” explains Jack. The time between disappearing after Reading & Leeds in 2015 and now hasn’t been the easiest for the group, full of personal struggle and questions of self-doubt, but they’ve come out the other side intact and determined. “If only we knew what we know now, the start of making this album would have been way easier,” he continues. That’s never really the Marmozets way though.
“It feels like we’re onto something here because of what we’ve discovered and learnt. It’s knowing what you know now, innit,” adds Becca. “You realise you always adapt and you always learn something new. It’s a bit of arrogance and a bit of confidence,” she continues, before realising it’s more than that. “There’s loads of confidence in what we’re doing.”
There was no fear in coming back to a muted reaction. “We believe in what we do,” offers Jack.
“We were worried ‘cos we were away for so long,” starts Becca, “but at the same time, I really wasn’t. It’s not like we’re just messing people around and can’t be arsed or would rather be sat at home or be in LA.”[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_single_image image=”47683″ img_size=”full” alignment=”center”][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]From the first hit of ‘Play’, all that passion comes flooding back. “It still sounds like us but at another level.” Stoking the flames, it didn’t take people long to remember just how breathtakingly exciting Marmozets are. That instant reaction and full-bodied embrace, “because it’s real.” It sounds different to what the band have done before, switching grimy attack for neon joy, because “we injected a bit of groove into it.”
“I came from a performing arts background,” starts Becca. “I love to dance, and I used to do street dance, ballet – everything. Josh is an amazing dancer, everyone loves to dance, and we don’t just sit and listen to Black Sabbath and Queens Of The Stone Age. We listen to stuff that we love that makes us want to get up and groove. We love the groove.”
Using Josh’s skills as a producer, it felt like ‘Play’ was meant to be. “It just works for us,” states Becca. “It’s more fun for us, and we’ve got to make it enjoyable. We love the music we write. I listen to our album all the time. It’s the one album I listen to all the time.”
“We’re happy that everyone is behind it, for sure,” continues Jack. “However many years between albums, we’re happy that people understand that we’re bound to progress. Some people think they might want the same album again, but you get the others that are more receptive.”
It might be because Marmozets have never bothered with definitions, it might be because they’ve never given anyone a reason to doubt them. Either way, “our fans are up for something different and want those new flavours.”
“You can’t sit and eat cheese toasties every day of your life.”
“You might want a salad.”
“Or a bit of rice.”
‘Knowing What You Know Now’ once again sees the band changing direction again and again, but it never retreads old ground or echoes promises already made. It presses shuffle on expectations. “These songs shouldn’t work next to each other, but for some reason, they do,” starts Becca. “We never walked into a room and said, ‘This is how it’s going to be’.” There was never a plan to follow or a vision to chase. “You don’t have a fucking clue what’s going to happen, you just want it to be awesome, and you want it to be completely you. The whole feel needs to be there, and we did it. We’re always just going to write whatever the fuck we want to write. I think we’re good at doing what we do and we love it. It is really exciting.”[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_video link=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxM0ili0kM”][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-1 vc_col-lg-10 vc_col-md-offset-1 vc_col-md-10″][vc_column_text]
[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]Considering they “magically came together as a band anyway” all those years ago, Marmozets have no reason to question it. “We’re always going to progress, we’re getting older and learning more about life in general,” explains Jack. “We’ve got ideas for a third [album] already. That’s all different, but it’s all sorts of new different. We don’t really know what it sounds like at the moment because it’s us again.”
“We want to be a band that’s around forever,” promises Becca. “We don’t want to be a band that has maybe one single that makes it, and that’s it. That’s not what we’ve put ten years in for. We’re already so far gone with it; we want more. We want to do more. We want to make more of a difference.”
In their time away, more have heard Marmozets’ message; the whispers of ‘The Weird and Wonderful…’ are still reaching people. “We’ve gained a lot of fans while we’ve been away,” starts Jack. “Rather than just saying, ‘Hi, nice to meet you’ after a show, there’s been a lot more people who say, ‘Hi, this is my story of how you’ve helped me’. It gets really personal and we never really had that when we were touring the first album.”
“We’re living in a world where depression and suicide are very real,” continues Becca. “It feels dark, and everyone is freaking out, but we’ve got fans coming to us and telling us we’ve helped them through this situation. Most people are so scared to talk about the shit they’ve gone through because they feel they might get judged but not with us. We have people that come to a Marmozets show, saying ‘I thought about committing suicide but then your songs came into my head and I didn’t. Thanks for helping me out’. It wasn’t even because they were listening to it at the time.
“It feels like this weird thing is happening, but it’s so beautiful and awesome. I like being that band. I’m not saying we’re gods or anything like that, but at least we’re making a difference for some people, in some way. We have to be for them to be so open about it. That’s better than being the singer that’s onstage wearing hot pants, and having my fans wanting to buy the same hot pants because I’m wearing them, right? I’d rather have someone come to me and tell me ‘I‘m still alive’.”[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_single_image image=”47685″ img_size=”full” alignment=”center”][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]That connection – “it’s because of the love” – Marmozets carry. “We’re aware of the world we live in. We’re not one of those bands where it’s all about us, and we won’t talk about depression or anything. We’re aware of people’s emotions and people’s feelings. Why we do it? We love people, and we love to be with people. Our music, it is honest, but there is a lot of fun to it. it’s not depressing.”
That joy, that escape, this band – “It means a lot to us, and as long as people always know that we’re enjoying it and loving it, then they’re going to have a good time with us.”
“Join the party,” invites Jack, a hand outstretched.
“There’s a lot more freedom this time,” says Becca. “With the other album, I knew exactly what I was doing it for. In the back of my mind, maybe I was going through a lot of depression myself, but I remember that was quite a dark time before we recorded ‘The Weird And Wonderful…’, not for myself but just in the world. I was very aware of people coming up to us at our shows saying ‘You’ve helped me through this’. Every time I stepped into that vocal booth I wanted to put all my energy in, so people can listen and feel like everything’s going to be ok.
“I remember the first time I broke a microphone stand in half because I was so into it. You hear about ladies who pick up cars to rescue their kids because of the adrenaline. It’s one of those things. I was only thinking about our fans. ‘Knowing What You Know Now’ is a lot more me being me. Each song is still me, but it’s different, almost like there are different personalities coming through in each song. I’m enjoying myself completely, and I’ve got some insight into how I want people to react to what I’m singing about. I want to make people think and look at the world a little differently.”
Marmozets have never really been a political band, but there are a lot of wider messages on ‘Knowing What You Know Now’. “It’s one of those things where the idea is there, and the way we think about things is there, but I know when someone hears it, they’re going to automatically know what it means to them.”
There’s this feeling of us against the world. “That’s a lyric,” grins Becca. “That’s where you’ve got that from. I feel like in the last two years it’s been getting a bit darker. I don’t know if it’s because I’m becoming more aware that it’s the rich and the powerful who run things but for me, it’s us against the evil in the world. I will push and do whatever I can to make my space around me happy and better for people whenever I come into contact with them. I’m not saying that’s my job, I do have my bad days, and it’s not about changing things for the millions. If I could change things for millions, that’s brilliant. If that’s my destiny, awesome, but I feel like if I can make a difference to one life, then I’m fucking cool with that because that one life is so precision.”
That’s the energy behind ‘Knowing What You Know Now’, it’s Marmozets saying: “Come on world, let’s see what you’ve got ‘cos the amount of love and passion I’ve got means we’ll win. I guess I’m quite fearless in some respects,” laughs Becca. “It’s a good anger. A fight. I’m going to fight and then be like, ‘Sorry, but I won’. Bring it on.”[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_video link=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6F4QBaoHr4″][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-1 vc_col-lg-10 vc_col-md-offset-1 vc_col-md-10″][vc_column_text]
[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]That lust for life and need for joy comes from seeing the other side. Right now, Marmozets are untouchable, their new album is unwavering, but it’s been a tough journey getting here. “This is what we’ve fucking been through. In 2015, we were surrounded by that big buzz. We felt really confident in that place. After that, everything went to shit. We all got depressed, it felt like all our songs were shit. I don’t know how many albums we wrote?” asks Becca.
“It was probably four,” Jack answers.
“There was a prog epic, every one was a different genre, and then we found this lovely middle ground. We got a little spice from every scrapped album and whacked it all together.
“Writing it, there were moments where it felt like it was missing that excitement. That’s the difference between the set of songs we have for the album we’ve recorded and the ones we’ve scrapped. There was some excitement lacking in the earlier demos, and that’s the spark. That excitement was the thing that made it feel like a Marmozets record again. We knew we were onto something when we’d finish a song, then play it over and over again. We’d smash through the same song twenty times in a row just ‘cos we were so excited by them. That’s a big part of the band, the energy. You get it just from listening to it. It gets you going, even if it’s not the heaviest stuff in the world or the most intense or uptempo. The excitement is key for us. If we don’t have that, we’re doomed.”
“We won’t just release anything,” promises Becca. “We’re not the sort of band who’ll say ‘that’ll do’. Everyone was telling us the second album is never as good as the first. I want our albums to get better and better every time. That’s my vision. I know it’s a lot of hard work, but I don’t care. I’m willing to do it.”
‘Knowing What You Know Now’ sees Marmozets open up and get vulnerable. Once again, there’s a fearlessness to it. “It’s not that I don’t care, I care so much, but it’s just stuff I needed to get out. There is a vulnerability because I was in a vulnerable place back when I had my operations done.” Back to back surgery on her knees left Becca bed-bound for months. “I had to learn how to walk again, and I wanted to be able to sing about it.” But that desire for movement, that need for groove happened naturally. “I felt like I needed to write a song about what I’ve been through, but it happened in its own little way. Me and Sam [Macintyre] both write lyrics, but everyone ends up putting stuff in ‘cos we work beautifully like that. It’s good because it’s real and feels like it’s coming from a source. I’d write something, Sam would write something similar, and I don’t know how it ends up working, but it does.”
Throughout the record, there’s this forward motion. It’s constantly running. “Have you seen me on stage before?” laughs Becca. “I do what I want; I’m always moving.” Rather than running away though, ‘Knowing What You Know Now’ sees the band constantly charging towards what’s next. “We’ll always run towards something else. It’s what we do,” grins Jack.
“There are just moments where we wanted to sound ridiculously big. I remember when we first heard the introduction to ‘Start Again’ and it felt like the world was burning,” Jack continues. But the record comes from the intimate connection the band share. Each part was recorded away from everyone else at the request of producer Gil Norton, so everyone’s personality comes through really naturally.
“Everyone needed to individually get lost in the song and get creative in their own vibe,” explains Becca. “We’ve been together for ten years now, known each other for even longer. We bring the best out of each other. We got so much joy out of writing this record. Some weird shit still happened but we seemed to hold it together, probably better than we would have done before. When we’re writing, sometimes we don’t even talk to each other. It’s like we can read each other because we know each other so well. Some people get freaked out by that.”[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_single_image image=”47684″ img_size=”full” alignment=”center”][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column offset=”vc_col-lg-offset-2 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-offset-2 vc_col-md-8″][vc_column_text]‘New Religion’ came from “conversations me and Sam were having about superstition,” says Becca. “There are loads of people in the world who are so anti-religion. It’s weird how people get so angry about any religion, but they believe if you walk underneath a ladder, you’ll get bad luck and that kinda thing. For us, it doesn’t quite add up. Are you really sure you’re going to be that angry and bitter about someone else’s beliefs when you believe in something that’s completely bullshit? It’s just about making people question what they think.”
Those questions about belief and the want for equality also rages on ‘Like A Battery’. “The kids in the street, they don’t know what to do. They’re used to it like it ain’t nothing new. One day they’re gonna run your country too,” it warns, anger bubbling underneath. “I live outside two tower blocks filled with people who ran out of luck, but they still get by.” Written when Sam was in Glasgow, the track is a “wake up song” about the state of this country. “People are just getting by. Give them a break; they’re as good as anyone else. It’s a very British sounding song. I think anyone who has been bought up in those types of situations; they’ll get it completely.”
What makes the message all the more powerful is the fact it’s coming from a band like Marmozets who formed in the outskirts of Bradford; Becca, born in Scotland, was raised in council houses. “I lived in the top of a church when my mum got married ‘cos we couldn’t afford a place. We’ve come from nothing.” So when they sing, “don’t you know they need a break too? Don’t look at me like I know what to do; I’m used to it like it ain’t nothing new,” believe they know what they’re talking about.
“Everyone thinks we have these fabulous crazy lives, but we don’t. We’re just normal. People ask me to buy pints for them or ask what car I’ve got. I can’t afford driving lessons, so why would I have a car? What house do you have? I live with my mum. We’re still pushing. We’re trying our hardest here,” promises Becca. “It always feels like we’re living on the edge. We don’t know how we’re going to pay for this or do that, but that’s life. It doesn’t matter what background you come from or who you are; you can have a place in this world to make a difference.”
“I rejoice through the bad,” continues Becca, finding power in tenderness. “It’s one of my mottos I’ve picked up along the way. My mum always says, ‘You know what, it’s really shit that’s happened, but laugh about it, Becca’. There’s always a way out. Some people just get stuck, but I don’t. I believe you can always change things around. I always push through. I do have a lot of fire,” she smiles, realising she’s one of the lucky ones. “Life could have been different. Everything has worked out good, even when it didn’t seem like it was going to and we lost a bit of faith in everything.”
Knowing what they know now, the band can see “that’s why that didn’t happen, and that’s why we went through that. It’s almost like you have to go through the bad bits and bobs to be in the place you need to get to.”
The album is full of “good things and the belief that people can do what they want. Stuff that’s going to benefit and help you and your friends. There’s happiness, fulfilment, inspiration and colour. I don’t see just black and white with it,” explains Beeca. “I see a lot of colour. It doesn’t just fit for one group of people; it’s for everyone.”
It still feels like a Marmozets record, and it’s tough to pinpoint why. But that energy, that love for all people and that power, “it’s just our vibes, dude. That’s all it is. It’s something no one else will be able to do. They can try, but no one can be Marmozets. We live on the edge. We always live on the edge. Most people would’ve had a heart attack by now, but it’s the way it’s always been for us. We’re always trying so hard, pushing so hard to have our dreams come true. There’s loads of exciting stuff to come along. It’s one of those things, I have an idea, and I want it all to happen now. We get really impatient with our own material. You realise you’ve written songs to put in place for an adventure.”
Marmozets’ album ‘Knowing What You Know Now’ is out 26th January. Taken from the December 2017 / January 2018 issue of Upset. 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